This is fantastic, it looks like we have iPad "ReWire" going on iOS. I just hope that it will become a standard feature on all music apps... BTW; This clip made my neck hurt... ;)
Yes, Bravo to Finger and Bravo to Art for blazing the trail.
At this point the only devs who will get my $ will be those who follow their lead and implement full MIDI functionality under CoreMIDI.
I'd also urge everyone to contact their fav app developers and ask them to adopt the same basic standards. Even point them to the MIDI help page on the Finger website.
Not all of us are well off enough to afford two as well! I always thought that the whole nature of having a studio in you pocket was that one could have an interesting soundmaker that was both inexpensive and intimate/personal.
@Tom "Not all of us are well off enough to afford two [ipads] as well!"
I got an ipad1/32gb for 200$ last week (it has a minor scratch on the screen, not even visible when its open). These things are going for dirt cheap now since the ipad2 was launched. I expect the same thing will happen next year with the ipad3.
I think I was lucky to get this ipad1/32gb for 200$. But they are still selling it new in stores for 400$ (16gb model), people would be crazy to buy a used ipad1/16gb for more than 250-300$.
Yes, this works to sync device-device as well, so you can do this with two iPads, or an iPad and an iPod touch, or whatever.
I'm working on a video to demonstrate this with three iOS devices synced together along with Ableton and a hardware Electribe. It's a pretty fun setup.
Sorry but I totally don't get the excitement. Of course the possibility to send midi is nice but come on. I don't want to save every separate app to keep the project... been there already with hardware midi devices. IMO all Nanostudio 1.2 features are more important. Why the hell would I play music with MoDrum and Bassline if I can have 16-synths in perfectly synced environment with 16 pad sampler. I could even use 5 instances of Eden to create MoDrum setup + another 1 for Bassline. I can save/load, export midi/audio (or all audio tracks) in one click. Plus of course audio routing and effects? It's not an attact at Finger and Art. I got MoDrum, Bassline and FunkBox on my ipod - love them and use them. I just don't think that midi sync is that important for mobile music making.
@iLpd No problem, different people make music different ways. I definitely can see the appeal of focusing on using one app that does everything. The people I know who work that way are very productive and get stuff done.
A lot of the time, I have a sort of musician ADD and like to pick and choose bits from here and there. This sync thing appeals to me because I'll have the potential to do that, as well as integrate mobile apps into my hardware studio.
I also think it will potentially be very cool for collaborative situations. Being able to have multiple people synced up and playing together is really nice. Even beyond just playing songs together, I think there is some potential here for some very interesting interactive music/art applications.
That doesn't at all take away from the apps like NanoStudio that you know in and out and let you write whole tracks when you actually want to get stuff done. It's so great to be able to have that sitting in your pocket any time you're inspired.
Also cool to have other toys too! And if those toys can interact with each other all the better.
Also want to add that as a dev I personally found adding this sync stuff hard and very time consuming. I've seen other devs say CoreMIDI is easy and maybe I'm just dumb, but that hasn't been my experience at all, especially at this early stage when there is very little info about it out there. So I can totally understand a dev putting this feature on the back burner priority wise.
I put it in my app because I wanted to be able to use it myself, and my app is not a do-everything type music app, so it is well suited for the feature. I also have gotten tons of request for MIDI sync for my other music app, so I knew if I could figure it out here I could put it in the other one too.
While I personally like the feature, I would be shocked if 10% of the people who buy the app use it. And it took a LOT of time to put in there.
So yeah, selfishly I would love to see all my favorite apps implement it, and I will use it when they do. But I don't at all blame anybody for holding off for a while and focusing on other features that they consider more important.
Of course you are right, Art. I like colaborative jams too. And I use the sync too when creating loop for future export to BM2 or Nano. And you did the great job implementing that. I just don't think it's THE MOST IMPORTANT feature like some of us think. I'm waiting for about 5 months for Nano compressor and I don't start forum wars beacuse of that.
NanoStudio is not in any way, shape, or form designed as a live tool. It's geared almost strictly for studio/sketch work. There's no MIDI out, no MIDI sync - thus no serious way of integrating into a performance situation with a DAW or other iDevices.
MoDrum, BassLine, and FunkBox are absolutely designed to be live tools.
I disagree with both your assessments on the importance of sync with iOS apps. You can go on virtually ANY music forum at this point and find tons of people asking/whining/bitching about MIDI sync. Thanks to various blogs, the issue is finally getting the attention it deserves.
When CoreMIDI was first offered, I'd agree with you, Art, that 10% of users actually cared. At this point in time? I'd say nearly 50% of music app buyers are actively looking for ways to connect with other iDevices, other apps on the same iDevice, or a DAW.
And, let's keep something important in mind...Finger was the first to allow apps to sync with one another ON THE SAME DEVICE. Prior to them actually doing it....no one even guessed it was possible, really! lol. Now that you've also done it, the demand is going to snowball.
This is nice the MoDrum is pretty versitle sound wise for the simple interface but I love some of the old beat box sounds that funk box has. So this is the best of all worlds. The Funk Box sequencer has the abiltiy to use more than one pattern which is nice so I will still want to use it for more than the sound files.
Hope one of the iDaw's figure out how to record the output of the phone or pull this into their recorders so you can output as a wave with all sounds. But for live performace this is a big step forward.
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Funk Box (android Voice) :)
This is fantastic, it looks like we have iPad "ReWire" going on iOS. I just hope that it will become a standard feature on all music apps...
BTW; This clip made my neck hurt... ;)
I agree with Anon!
Audio copy and paste came first. This has got to be the new standard that all new music apps come fitted with :D
@Anon @Tom
100% Cosign
And I commend Art on commanding and conqureing this amazing feat, and Finger for sharing his knowledge!!
-The Midi Evangalist has Spoken
@Tom
"Audio copy and paste came first"
No, IOlibrary came first :P
But really I wonder what will happen when Apple comes up with its own copy/paste solution throught Core Audio.
Yes, Bravo to Finger and Bravo to Art for blazing the trail.
At this point the only devs who will get my $ will be those who follow their lead and implement full MIDI functionality under CoreMIDI.
I'd also urge everyone to contact their fav app developers and ask them to adopt the same basic standards. Even point them to the MIDI help page on the Finger website.
Pretty cool, but I'd rather have two ipads synched together...
@Cinema Verite;
You should be able to have both!
Not all of us are well off enough to afford two as well! I always thought that the whole nature of having a studio in you pocket was that one could have an interesting soundmaker that was both inexpensive and intimate/personal.
@Tom
"Not all of us are well off enough to afford two [ipads] as well!"
I got an ipad1/32gb for 200$ last week (it has a minor scratch on the screen, not even visible when its open). These things are going for dirt cheap now since the ipad2 was launched. I expect the same thing will happen next year with the ipad3.
Yeah, but you don't live in rip-off UK Britain! :(
You'll be very hard pushed to find something like that for £150 ($200)
Where did you find an iPad for that price?
@Tom
Even for used models?
I think I was lucky to get this ipad1/32gb for 200$. But they are still selling it new in stores for 400$ (16gb model), people would be crazy to buy a used ipad1/16gb for more than 250-300$.
@Cinema Verite
I got it from a guy where I work who has bought an ipad2. I live in Canada.
@Cinema
Yes, this works to sync device-device as well, so you can do this with two iPads, or an iPad and an iPod touch, or whatever.
I'm working on a video to demonstrate this with three iOS devices synced together along with Ableton and a hardware Electribe. It's a pretty fun setup.
Sorry but I totally don't get the excitement.
Of course the possibility to send midi is nice but come on.
I don't want to save every separate app to keep the project... been there already with hardware midi devices.
IMO all Nanostudio 1.2 features are more important. Why the hell would I play music with MoDrum and Bassline if I can have 16-synths in perfectly synced environment with 16 pad sampler. I could even use 5 instances of Eden to create MoDrum setup + another 1 for Bassline.
I can save/load, export midi/audio (or all audio tracks) in one click. Plus of course audio routing and effects?
It's not an attact at Finger and Art. I got MoDrum, Bassline and FunkBox on my ipod - love them and use them.
I just don't think that midi sync is that important for mobile music making.
@iLpd No problem, different people make music different ways. I definitely can see the appeal of focusing on using one app that does everything. The people I know who work that way are very productive and get stuff done.
A lot of the time, I have a sort of musician ADD and like to pick and choose bits from here and there. This sync thing appeals to me because I'll have the potential to do that, as well as integrate mobile apps into my hardware studio.
I also think it will potentially be very cool for collaborative situations. Being able to have multiple people synced up and playing together is really nice. Even beyond just playing songs together, I think there is some potential here for some very interesting interactive music/art applications.
That doesn't at all take away from the apps like NanoStudio that you know in and out and let you write whole tracks when you actually want to get stuff done. It's so great to be able to have that sitting in your pocket any time you're inspired.
Also cool to have other toys too! And if those toys can interact with each other all the better.
Also want to add that as a dev I personally found adding this sync stuff hard and very time consuming. I've seen other devs say CoreMIDI is easy and maybe I'm just dumb, but that hasn't been my experience at all, especially at this early stage when there is very little info about it out there. So I can totally understand a dev putting this feature on the back burner priority wise.
I put it in my app because I wanted to be able to use it myself, and my app is not a do-everything type music app, so it is well suited for the feature. I also have gotten tons of request for MIDI sync for my other music app, so I knew if I could figure it out here I could put it in the other one too.
While I personally like the feature, I would be shocked if 10% of the people who buy the app use it. And it took a LOT of time to put in there.
So yeah, selfishly I would love to see all my favorite apps implement it, and I will use it when they do. But I don't at all blame anybody for holding off for a while and focusing on other features that they consider more important.
It's really cool though..!
Of course you are right, Art.
I like colaborative jams too. And I use the sync too when creating loop for future export to BM2 or Nano.
And you did the great job implementing that.
I just don't think it's THE MOST IMPORTANT feature like some of us think.
I'm waiting for about 5 months for Nano compressor and I don't start forum wars beacuse of that.
@iLpd
NanoStudio is not in any way, shape, or form designed as a live tool. It's geared almost strictly for studio/sketch work. There's no MIDI out, no MIDI sync - thus no serious way of integrating into a performance situation with a DAW or other iDevices.
MoDrum, BassLine, and FunkBox are absolutely designed to be live tools.
@Art
@iLpd
I disagree with both your assessments on the importance of sync with iOS apps. You can go on virtually ANY music forum at this point and find tons of people asking/whining/bitching about MIDI sync. Thanks to various blogs, the issue is finally getting the attention it deserves.
When CoreMIDI was first offered, I'd agree with you, Art, that 10% of users actually cared. At this point in time? I'd say nearly 50% of music app buyers are actively looking for ways to connect with other iDevices, other apps on the same iDevice, or a DAW.
And, let's keep something important in mind...Finger was the first to allow apps to sync with one another ON THE SAME DEVICE. Prior to them actually doing it....no one even guessed it was possible, really! lol. Now that you've also done it, the demand is going to snowball.
This is nice the MoDrum is pretty versitle sound wise for the simple interface but I love some of the old beat box sounds that funk box has. So this is the best of all worlds. The Funk Box sequencer has the abiltiy to use more than one pattern which is nice so I will still want to use it for more than the sound files.
Hope one of the iDaw's figure out how to record the output of the phone or pull this into their recorders so you can output as a wave with all sounds. But for live performace this is a big step forward.
@loopstationzebra
Relax man. :)
I would jam with you on synced idevices with pleasure. I'm sure it would be fun.
Of course tons of ppl ask for midi but other few tons ask for other features.
Just wait relax and play music.
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