Who cares? I mean really. NanoStudio is worlds better for a dozen reasons, some of them being it's rock solid in the stability department and the developer is super nice and highly communicative with NS users.
BM2 has some nice features that NS currently doesn't have but none of them are worth dealing with BM2's terrible performance.
You're right, Intua should simply stop trying to improve their products and tell the whole world that Nanostudio won. They could find jobs in other domains I'm sure.
Yes, everyone who's doing something should just abandon and quit instead of trying to be better, because there are already better alternatives available, always..
Instead of constructively arguing against my opinion, you instead put words in my mouth. Good job.
I'm not ruling out that Intua could improve BM2, but Intua's behavior in the past towards their product and customers has been consistently terrible, and the fact that they've taken months to address fundamental stability and performance issues says to me that they don't mind duping people into throwing away $20 on poorly made software with promises that fixes/updates are "coming real soon now."
Not only is NS coded better, the customer support is lightyears better. I dropped BM2 after futzing about with it for 2 weeks, got tired of the crashes and memory issues, and went back to NS. Feel free to continue cheerleading for Intua, though.
So yeah, it can get agressive. I would say their pricing was pretty agressive for what they put out. And therefore we are reacting agressively.
NS was cheaper, and the exact opposite business approach. Funny how no aggressive comments are aimed at Matt/NS.
So I would say that music does bring out the best of us, because we are all here ...every day for some...communicating, expressing our selves, and sharing our enthusiasm for music and great innovative products.
BTW I agree with everything you said, I was merely expanding the meaning of the "Who cares?" part of your comment.
I dig the NS guy for releasing Windows and OSX versions of Nanostudio, and I got stifled by BM with their so-called "looping" functions, which Intua wouldn't add to BM1 and are still severely lacking in features BM2 (why would I need to hold the button if I want it to loop forever??).
This shit is gettin' older than Methuselah's "onesy", yo!
BM1 was awesome, and it was the one app to have, until NS came onto the scene.
NS is great, but it hasn't exactly been a "world of updates" on that front, either. It's safe to say that Intua had issued about 3 updates to NS1 in the amount of time that it took Blip to issue just one.
Like my man Mr. Loaf said, "Objects in the rear-view mirror... (etc. etc.)".
Either way, there's way too many bunched undies in this NS / BM feud. It's F'ing ANNOYING! Anyone irritated by BM2 is clearly invested in it already, so just hang tight and cross your fingers!! I mean, where is there to go from here but up?
NS and BM are both ok for jotting ideas, but face it they sound like comPlete shit compared to a real DAW. Too many people think they're making real music with these apps, when in reality they're making throw-away time killers that will never ever hold up against real music. I agree though, the devs should keep moving forward with all the updates they can. The apps will get there eventually. For now though, the "rivalry" between NS and BM is pretty silly more than delusional. Best to think of them as gateway drugs to the good stuff- live, logic, reaper etc.
There was the same discussion about computers would never compare with " real "instruments, or with digital or analog, or what ever may come compared to whatever already is, I think.
Just the term" real" already is a very difficult one for me
@anon every medium has its constraints (although mobile music's constraints are diminishing at a breakneck pace).
To paraphrase conan obrien's recent commencement speech, what makes something interesting is often driven by a combination of what you _can't_ do and the ability of human nature to carve out an altogether new path.
I may not be able to use the world's most beautiful, pristine reverb in nanostudio, but I can sure as hell manipulate and record automation orders of magnitude faster than I can with a mouse. That's going to open up a different set of musical doors... not necessarily "better", but certainly one that's interesting.
...and really, it's like chess. Chess' longevity can be attributed to the constraints of the rules, not a wide variety of rules. Many other strategy games (with long, complex rules and a 3" thick manual) come and go, while chess remains.
It's the constraints of the ruleset that oblige the creative player to devise innovative ways to arrive at their goal. The possibilities are huge for a really clever player.
It's the same w/ artistic pursuits. Paul Klee was often criticized for his lack of concern for the use of quality, professional-grade materials; he painted on anything. Cardboard, newsprint... you name it. Would his beautiful art have benefitted from the upgrade to costly, "professional" materials? I'm honestly not so sure.
Beck's "One Foot In The Grave" sounds like it was recorded w/ a handheld cassette player, but I'll take it over "Midnite Vultures" any day of the week. Lots of underground consumers feel this way.
on the other hand about the pro- materials, a lot of beautifull art is degrading and falling apart due to bad materials and already now some are a shadow of what they where intended to be...... like all the yellows where supposed to be white and all the yellow is now brown.
You're right. Unless steps are taken to conserve them, many of those works fall apart and degrade in color.
The point is not diminished, tho. I'd rather look at a 6"x6" pencil sketch on a cocktail napkin executed by Klee, than 10'x14 Ellsworth Kelly any time.
It comes to taste, ultimately. But that's my point.
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Who cares? I mean really. NanoStudio is worlds better for a dozen reasons, some of them being it's rock solid in the stability department and the developer is super nice and highly communicative with NS users.
BM2 has some nice features that NS currently doesn't have but none of them are worth dealing with BM2's terrible performance.
@Sleep
You're right, Intua should simply stop trying to improve their products and tell the whole world that Nanostudio won. They could find jobs in other domains I'm sure.
Yes, everyone who's doing something should just abandon and quit instead of trying to be better, because there are already better alternatives available, always..
Hey guys. The one thing beat maker does well is beat slicing and the pads are great. Just memory issues let it down
@2Anonymous2BeReal
Instead of constructively arguing against my opinion, you instead put words in my mouth. Good job.
I'm not ruling out that Intua could improve BM2, but Intua's behavior in the past towards their product and customers has been consistently terrible, and the fact that they've taken months to address fundamental stability and performance issues says to me that they don't mind duping people into throwing away $20 on poorly made software with promises that fixes/updates are "coming real soon now."
Not only is NS coded better, the customer support is lightyears better. I dropped BM2 after futzing about with it for 2 weeks, got tired of the crashes and memory issues, and went back to NS. Feel free to continue cheerleading for Intua, though.
Yeah I don't even call it beatmaker 2 ... I call it BeatSlicer because that's all it's really good for to me.
A $20 BeatSlicer
Wow you people are really aggressive ! Music making does not seem to bring out the best of you lot.
We are discussing business matters Brian.
Not music matters.
So yeah, it can get agressive. I would say their pricing was pretty agressive for what they put out. And therefore we are reacting agressively.
NS was cheaper, and the exact opposite business approach. Funny how no aggressive comments are aimed at Matt/NS.
So I would say that music does bring out the best of us, because we are all here ...every day for some...communicating, expressing our selves, and sharing our enthusiasm for music and great innovative products.
@Sleep
"you instead put words in my mouth"
Yeah I love to do that :)
BTW I agree with everything you said, I was merely expanding the meaning of the "Who cares?" part of your comment.
I dig the NS guy for releasing Windows and OSX versions of Nanostudio, and I got stifled by BM with their so-called "looping" functions, which Intua wouldn't add to BM1 and are still severely lacking in features BM2 (why would I need to hold the button if I want it to loop forever??).
No cheeleading here rest assured :D
This shit is gettin' older than Methuselah's "onesy", yo!
BM1 was awesome, and it was the one app to have, until NS came onto the scene.
NS is great, but it hasn't exactly been a "world of updates" on that front, either. It's safe to say that Intua had issued about 3 updates to NS1 in the amount of time that it took Blip to issue just one.
Like my man Mr. Loaf said, "Objects in the rear-view mirror... (etc. etc.)".
Either way, there's way too many bunched undies in this NS / BM feud. It's F'ing ANNOYING! Anyone irritated by BM2 is clearly invested in it already, so just hang tight and cross your fingers!! I mean, where is there to go from here but up?
Seriously? NS hasn't been a "world of updates"? You're sticking with that?
I'm bored with hearing it, that's all. It's like NS gave bought you dinner you an HJ.
Oops!
That should be "bought you dinner and gave you an HJ".
NS and BM are both ok for jotting ideas, but face it they sound like comPlete shit compared to a real DAW. Too many people think they're making real music with these apps, when in reality they're making throw-away time killers that will never ever hold up against real music. I agree though, the devs should keep moving forward with all the updates they can. The apps will get there eventually. For now though, the "rivalry" between NS and BM is pretty silly more than delusional. Best to think of them as gateway drugs to the good stuff- live, logic, reaper etc.
There was the same discussion about computers would never compare with " real "instruments, or with digital or analog, or what ever may come compared to whatever already is, I think.
Just the term" real" already is a very difficult one for me
@anon every medium has its constraints (although mobile music's constraints are diminishing at a breakneck pace).
To paraphrase conan obrien's recent commencement speech, what makes something interesting is often driven by a combination of what you _can't_ do and the ability of human nature to carve out an altogether new path.
I may not be able to use the world's most beautiful, pristine reverb in nanostudio, but I can sure as hell manipulate and record automation orders of magnitude faster than I can with a mouse. That's going to open up a different set of musical doors... not necessarily "better", but certainly one that's interesting.
...and really, it's like chess. Chess' longevity can be attributed to the constraints of the rules, not a wide variety of rules. Many other strategy games (with long, complex rules and a 3" thick manual) come and go, while chess remains.
It's the constraints of the ruleset that oblige the creative player to devise innovative ways to arrive at their goal. The possibilities are huge for a really clever player.
It's the same w/ artistic pursuits. Paul Klee was often criticized for his lack of concern for the use of quality, professional-grade materials; he painted on anything. Cardboard, newsprint... you name it. Would his beautiful art have benefitted from the upgrade to costly, "professional" materials? I'm honestly not so sure.
Beck's "One Foot In The Grave" sounds like it was recorded w/ a handheld cassette player, but I'll take it over "Midnite Vultures" any day of the week. Lots of underground consumers feel this way.
completely agree
on the other hand about the pro- materials,
a lot of beautifull art is degrading and falling apart due to
bad materials and already now some are a shadow of what they where intended to be......
like all the yellows where supposed to be white and all the yellow is now brown.
You're right. Unless steps are taken to conserve them, many of those works fall apart and degrade in color.
The point is not diminished, tho. I'd rather look at a 6"x6" pencil sketch on a cocktail napkin executed by Klee, than 10'x14 Ellsworth Kelly any time.
It comes to taste, ultimately. But that's my point.
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