tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post532300470892722785..comments2023-10-05T13:52:35.237+01:00Comments on Palm Sounds: Aurora Sounds Studio platform comparisonPalm Soundshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03098653893896586488noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-81806100440115289832010-07-05T09:29:57.028+01:002010-07-05T09:29:57.028+01:00Thanks, Tracy - that's great. I'll be sure...Thanks, Tracy - that's great. I'll be sure to check out the Facebook page.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02105114526496564116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-63441460615071110232010-07-05T09:15:28.524+01:002010-07-05T09:15:28.524+01:00Hi Nick
Sorry I didn't see the tweet but hope...Hi Nick<br /><br />Sorry I didn't see the tweet but hope this answer helps.<br /><br />Aurora has some similar functionality to the bounce and random modes but they do work slightly differently.<br /><br />The Machine Gun mode is similar to the bounce mode in that you can generate repeated notes, but instead of bouncing vertically the notes fire in from left to right.<br /><br />You can set a layer as random, which allows the sequencer to trigger random a set of pre-determined notes in a random order but at specified time intervals. This is kind of hard to explain but it achieves much the same thing. <br /><br />Unlike the Tenori-On however, we do allow proper sequencing and triggering of patterns. The Tenori-On only allows you to record a one off performance in real time and you have to switch patterns yourself. There is no re-editing allowed on the Tenori-On.<br /><br />We try to answer as many questions and have discussion forums on our facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aurora-Sound-Studio/119038391462653<br />Also there are tutorials on YouTube<br /><br />ThanksTracy - 4Pocketshttp://www.4pockets.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-81543339539688626302010-07-02T20:55:08.632+01:002010-07-02T20:55:08.632+01:00Thanks, all - random on Aurora does sound good, ki...Thanks, all - random on Aurora does sound good, kind of Reaktor-like. I think random on the Tenori is called that because you can 'spin' the pattern, which kind of randomises the notes (because the note positions change as the pattern spins). It's a great mode and it'd work much better on the iPad if someone did it. An official Tenori app could be excellent as long as it didn't cost £500.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02105114526496564116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-48294194798796617132010-07-02T20:08:01.567+01:002010-07-02T20:08:01.567+01:00That random mode implementation is great! I reques...That random mode implementation is great! I requested the exact same thing for the Tenori-On, but like most requests people had it was never implemented.<br /><br />The Tenori-Ons random mode is more of a cycle mode, instead of the sequencer moving left to right over time, in this mode it moves diagonally between the different notes you've pressed, so they play one at a time, with one rest time-step for each blank/empty note/square between the active ones. So if you press two notes, the further apart two notes are, the longer it takes to travel that distance and the longer time between the two notes. If you have three notes, two close and one far apart, it will play 1 then quickly play 2 then take a while to get to 3 and play it then take a while to get back to 1 and start over. So it's kind of like an arpeggiator, with some control over the individual times between notes (based on how far apart you spread them).<br /><br />Bounce mode on the Tenori-On works by setting repeat loops for individual notes. Each note gets a column, if you press near the top for that column the note note "falls" to the bottom, makes the note sound (C# or whatever), then bounces back to the height you set it at, then falls back down and plays the note, over and over. End result is again cyclical: you can set C# to play once every 4 notes, D# to play once every 6 notes, and F to play once every 9 notes, and with all the notes individually cycling like that you end up with some neat patterns.<br /><br />I haven't tried Aurora yet but will probably grab it this weekend, it looks really solid.Synthetic Bitshttp://syntheticbits.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-57749292474631632402010-07-02T17:51:24.755+01:002010-07-02T17:51:24.755+01:00I forgot XY mode, which is one of the most importa...I forgot XY mode, which is one of the most important of them all - real-time manipulation of chosen parameters using the grid as a mixer on steroids.<br>I've never actually pawed a real-world Tenori-On, so don't know how closely the various features map - but what Random mode does in Aurora is to allow you to assign up to 14 different values to a particular pattern step, from which one will be chosen at random on each iteration of the pattern. It's a familiar feature in desktop pattern sequencers (including the greatest of them all, Offenhartz & Zicarelli's UpBeat for Mac), but so far as I know Aurora's implementation is the first on a mobile platform. (Someone will put me right on this.) It really brings the other features to life to be able to inject an element of constrainled randomness.same different Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-84509199416552776272010-07-02T15:58:28.317+01:002010-07-02T15:58:28.317+01:00For anyone else who's curious, this video revi...For anyone else who's curious, this video review (linked from the product site) looks like it could be useful:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/VJFranzK#p/u/17/o6WOBKBTXO0<br /><br />I won't be able to check it out fully (and with sound) until later, but it looks promising...Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02105114526496564116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-92081848953311198152010-07-02T15:56:54.014+01:002010-07-02T15:56:54.014+01:00Thanks, different me - that's a helpful respon...Thanks, different me - that's a helpful response. Of course if I try the iPhone version and like it enough to but the iPad one, it becomes even more expensive...<br /><br />I guess I might crack at some point, when boredom overcomes prudence, but I might have bought it on day one if I'd known enough about it. Even if Aurora don't want to provide a light/demo version, I think they'd benefit greatly from some more useful information on their site - just a simple explanation of the options, functions and modes.<br /><br />Other Nick tells us there's a great Random mode - he doesn't mention what this is (Tenori-On has a Random mode, but it's not random at all), but at least he's gone one better than Aurora, who don't mention it at all on their site.<br /><br />I don't mean to sound like I'm having a pop at their product, or their price - I just think better promotion would help.<br /><br />At least we know they're keen followers of Palm Sounds, as the parent post is already on their product page :).Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02105114526496564116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-66010132505196870942010-07-02T15:43:23.250+01:002010-07-02T15:43:23.250+01:00Don't forget that the iPhone version, which is...Don't forget that the iPhone version, which is only £5.99, works really well on the iPad at 2x and has most of the feature set if you want to try it out. There are lots of modes, some of which you have to unlock manually - they seem to feel the app looks scarily complex with the full menu, which reads Play, Record, Machine Gun, Automation, Effects, Mixer, Song, Random (this is great), Atomizer. There's help on all these rather non-obviously available in both versions through the File or Edit=>Song Settings menus.<br><br />I was one of those who thought the price point for the iPad version was suicidally high, given that you could get the same functionality on the same device for nineteen quid less if you didn't mind a less aesthetically slick interface. But it's been in the top thirty grossers for a while now, and earlier this week was only a couple of places below OmniGraffle (the absolute benchmark of a high-price, high-value iPad app - and that's not in competition with a much cheaper iPhone version of itself). That suggests the pricing strategy may be paying off enough not to contemplate any early drop. But I would say that you don't lose a lot by going with the iPhone version on an iPad - the main thing I'd miss is the ability to mute & solo layers. At any rate it's way, way out in front of the other Tenori-On-alikes - the sounds are a bit ropey, but the functionality is very rich.different Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-65017139264677354152010-07-02T10:44:56.245+01:002010-07-02T10:44:56.245+01:00To be fair, it wasn't a support request as I h...To be fair, it wasn't a support request as I haven't bought the app - I just asked them via their Twitter feed.<br /><br />The recent update does suggest decent support. I'm sure that's not an issue - it's just that I'd take a risk if it was £5, but I need to know more if I'm going to drop £25.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02105114526496564116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-49142121421850419522010-07-02T10:41:54.396+01:002010-07-02T10:41:54.396+01:00Wow, for a $40 app I would expect to get amazing c...Wow, for a $40 app I would expect to get amazing customer support from the devs. I can't believe you didn't get an answer from them, that's not a good sign.<br /><br />Personally this app could never be worth $40 to me.<br />I will look into it when it goes under $10.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-63541644181437356712010-07-02T09:30:22.261+01:002010-07-02T09:30:22.261+01:00The price isn't a problem if I'm going to ...The price isn't a problem if I'm going to use it and enjoy it, but it is high enough that a demo or light version would make me more inclined to check it out.<br /><br />Since there are at least two users in this discussion, perhaps I can get an answer on something I'ave asked in a few places (and directly to the devs) but had no luck with:<br /><br />Does it have any of the extra sequencing modes of the Tenori-On, like the bounce or random modes? Anything beyond the standard left-to-right X/Y grid? That's the one thing that all the Tenori-likes have been missing so far, I think. It's like everyone wants to make a Tenori-On, but nobody fully realises what that entails.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02105114526496564116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-9807052804476826752010-07-02T07:56:29.736+01:002010-07-02T07:56:29.736+01:00What is putting me off is that I'm basically b...What is putting me off is that I'm basically buying something based on a video and some reviews on the iTunes store, as there have been no reviews by 'respectable' sites. Theres no demo available, which even the cheapest of apps have, but in this case I would consider one essential at this price. If it's worth it, then fantastic, but i have absolutely no way of knowing that at this point in time.Truthsayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01428377698205059770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-11097079746648611752010-07-02T02:05:08.693+01:002010-07-02T02:05:08.693+01:00I will buy this the second it's $19.99 or less...I will buy this the second it's $19.99 or less, and not a second before.Rod Donovannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28744907.post-88121464833572620852010-07-01T21:25:22.682+01:002010-07-01T21:25:22.682+01:00I was one of the people that thought it was overpr...I was one of the people that thought it was overpriced. In the end, I did break down and purchase it because it had a feature set I desired and I think that in order to get more and better iPad music apps we need to support the products out there that are worthwhile. I don't regret buying it. After using it a bunch I think it actually has all the features of the tenor-on but takes it much further than that hardware can or ever will. When looking at it that way it is a bargain and I didn't bat an eye at dropping $900 on that hardware. And therein lies the issue, I have always placed less value in software over hardware although the two are converging more and more everyday and software is doing the same things at lower prices. I think we just have a mental thing about the value of something we can hold and touch and sometimes that gets in the way with software prices. My .02Marknoreply@blogger.com